FisherDaddy reviewed Lapvona by Ottessa Moshfegh
No lo termine
2 stars
Crudo, grotesco a veces, se me torno aburrida la trama, Buena construcción de personajes
English language
Published June 17, 2022 by Penguin Publishing Group.
A fateful year in the life of a thirteen-year-old shepherd's son living in Lapvona, a fiefdom ruled by a corrupt, incompetent and feckless lord.
Crudo, grotesco a veces, se me torno aburrida la trama, Buena construcción de personajes
Moshfegh's books are page turners and funny, but they are also horrific and filled with dread. In a conversation with jilliansayre@bookwyrm.social, we were trying to figure out if you could say you "enjoyed" a novel by Moshfegh. It's a complicated question. This book is no different. You likely won't be able to put it down, but you might not be able to figure out why you keep turning pages (and you might ask yourself what that fact says about you).
Es difícil decir eso de "este es el mejor libro que he leído nunca", porque bueno, depende del día. Sobre héroes y tumbas de Sábato, o la inclasificable "la casa de las hojas", de Danielewski, las colecciones de cuentos de Borges, Nuestra parte de noche de Mariana Enríquez etc... son libros que me han dejado el cerebro fundido, y Lapvona lo ha vuelto a hacer. Es cierto que no está muy desarrollado, es una novela muy corta, que hubiera ganado con 200-300 páginas más. Realmente el final te sabe a poco.
Agata deserved better. I'd read a 10+ books saga starring Ina. That's it.
"I feel stupid when I pray" - "Anyone", Demi Lovato (Introductory quote of the book)
"...Marek was a little pleased that he was bleeding and that surely the broken bucket would be reason enough for Jude to give him a sound beating when he got home. Pain was good, Marek felt. It brought him closer to his father's love and pity ... Marek thought, I deserve this hardship. He lived for hardship. It gave him cause to prove himself superior to his mortal suffering."
What an interesting book to reflect on, I think this specific book poses a real challenge for reviewers regarding objectivity/subjectivity. Of course, all reviews are subjective, but different reviewers may allow "objective" elements (prose, structure, pacing) to weigh more heavily on their rating of book than subjective (overall enjoyment).
For this book, I don't think it's controversial to say that the more "objective" elements were very …
"I feel stupid when I pray" - "Anyone", Demi Lovato (Introductory quote of the book)
"...Marek was a little pleased that he was bleeding and that surely the broken bucket would be reason enough for Jude to give him a sound beating when he got home. Pain was good, Marek felt. It brought him closer to his father's love and pity ... Marek thought, I deserve this hardship. He lived for hardship. It gave him cause to prove himself superior to his mortal suffering."
What an interesting book to reflect on, I think this specific book poses a real challenge for reviewers regarding objectivity/subjectivity. Of course, all reviews are subjective, but different reviewers may allow "objective" elements (prose, structure, pacing) to weigh more heavily on their rating of book than subjective (overall enjoyment).
For this book, I don't think it's controversial to say that the more "objective" elements were very strong. The writing was straightforward but beautiful. The pacing was very interesting: the story beats hit exactly as they should, but it was still an overall unique story. And reflecting back on the story as a whole, it was an interesting - almost slice of life, medieval story following a young boy in a small village.
But the "subjective" elements... oh my god. This book was vile. It was disgusting. Horrific acts of depravity paired with the implication of "that's just how it was back then" painted an extremely grim picture of the times. None of the characters were good people, some being comically terrible. Reading this was not enjoyable. It was a good story, but not an enjoyable story. And I think that's where the difficulty is with rating this book. Thankfully, the really disgusting elements were fairly isolated into the second of the 4ish acts of the book, but that's not to say the whole book wasn't filled with depraved themes and people.
Maybe I'll feel different the longer I sit on the story, but I think I actually really liked this. It was "refreshing" to consume media around that time period that isn't painted in whimsy and fantasy, and the commentary about piety was often deeply funny. Would I recommend this? Not widely, no. But I did like it.
Absolutely stunning writing. Set in a small village in an imagined feudalist kingdom, the story is strongly driven by the characters and the contrast between rich and poor. One shallow layer thus is picking up cliche storylines, but it turns out, everyone is thoroughly fucked up. Characters jump to different states, even some hints at witchcraft happen. Religious pretense is through dealt with. Reminds me of "The Books of Jacob" but more raw, Cormac McCarthy but women exist. Whoever has less than 5 stars for this book is objectively wrong, denying how fucked up everyone of us is and doesn't like that mirror.
When Marek was born, his mother died, or so he was told. He lives with his father, a shepherd, in Lapvona, the fiefdom of a corrupt, feckless and incompetent lord. Marek is the line that runs through Lapvona. He was born with skeletal deformities that earn him the contempt of Lapvona villagers, including his father. However, he makes friends with the lord’s son, although the prince treats him more as a hunting dog than as a friend. The relation between Marek and the prince is the feeble engine driving whatever plot there is in Lapvona. Overall, Lapvona reads like a truly terrible year, from spring to spring, at a tyrannically-run Ren Faire: murderous bandit raids, drought and starvation, relentless poverty and grinding work. Add to that humanity’s propensity to lie, and the almost impossibility of meaningfully connecting with another person, and you get a Boschian horror-show from which …
When Marek was born, his mother died, or so he was told. He lives with his father, a shepherd, in Lapvona, the fiefdom of a corrupt, feckless and incompetent lord. Marek is the line that runs through Lapvona. He was born with skeletal deformities that earn him the contempt of Lapvona villagers, including his father. However, he makes friends with the lord’s son, although the prince treats him more as a hunting dog than as a friend. The relation between Marek and the prince is the feeble engine driving whatever plot there is in Lapvona. Overall, Lapvona reads like a truly terrible year, from spring to spring, at a tyrannically-run Ren Faire: murderous bandit raids, drought and starvation, relentless poverty and grinding work. Add to that humanity’s propensity to lie, and the almost impossibility of meaningfully connecting with another person, and you get a Boschian horror-show from which there is no escape but death, and no dignity even in death.
It’s hard to say what kind of story Lapvona is telling. Despite the corrupt, feckless and incompetent lord, it’s not a political allegory because there’s no politics. Although the fantastical happens, it’s not a fantasy because there’s no quest or rescue. It might be a fairy tale — a pauper does become a prince — but there’s no moral, and it’s hard to make up an edifying one that’s even tenuously connected to the story. It might be journalism, but the narration is omniscient and shifting, and the fantastic moves it into some other world despite the medieval-like, middle-European-like setting. It might be satire — the priest and the lord examine a pregnant nun and conclude she’s a virgin, even though they have no idea what they’re looking at, or what they’re looking for — but repeatedly hammering the same few nails becomes numbing. The story’s God-soaked, but not in any way that can be considered sacred. It’s more accurate to consider it an anti-God story, but the arguments against are a thin thread of commonplace hypocrisies. Probably the best way to take Lapvona is as it’s offered: a carnival ride of gross-outs and horrors.
So, are there trigger warnings? Oh yeah, there are trigger warnings out the ass: rape, incest, body horror, child abuse of various kinds, animal cruelty, blasphemy, cannibalism and its aftereffects, some kind of crypto-Aryanism, shit play of various kinds (you thought that “out the ass” was gratuitous, didn’t you?). Fortunately, Moshfegh’s prose style works well with this problematic litany. The flat and characterless descriptions efficiently move the reader from one gross-out or horror to the next, and give no reason to tarry; on the other hand, they also provide no place for the reader to hide. Occasionally Moshfegh waxes lyrical, usually about nature, and only for a sentence or two, otherwise it’s this atrocity, then this one, then this one.
Ottessa Moshfegh is one of the most interesting contemporary writers. She loves weird, outsiders and grotesque and this book contains all these characteristics. But I have mixed feelings about it, the story is in places quite dull and it lacks flavour.
This felt like an arthouse film in book form. Haha. I came very close to DNFing but I’m glad I stuck with it. There’s a good chance that if I were in a different mood I would have hated this book. The ending saves it. As the book progresses, The many people of Lapvona we come to know develop ideas and theories that allow them cope with the many setbacks they face. Superstitions, mythologies. In the end, they question all of it, and find nothing to replace it with. It’s a poignant allegory for what it means to live in a society, even on the smallest of scales.
Um daqueles livros que eu leio e não tenho certeza do que li nem se eu gostei... Mas foi, no mínimo, "interessante".
Um daqueles livros que eu leio e não tenho certeza do que li nem se eu gostei... Mas foi, no mÃnimo, "interessante".
‘The man was afraid of strange people. Anyone deaf or crippled or ugly, he felt, was cursed. This was the attitude of most northerners. His wife, of course, being a native, understood that lameness or strangeness was a mark of grace. If one suffered purgatory on Earth rather than after death, heaven was easier to access.’
This book is perhaps best summarized with a ‘what the fuck’. Going into it, all I understood was that it had a medieval context and an arresting cover. Perhaps there would be commentary about being an ‘other’ in medieval society, or the role of religion in daily life, or something to that effect. To be sure, there is a bit of this, but in quite a different way than expected. I had read some of the reviews—or at least, enough to expect some grotesque and disgusting scenes. Listen to the reviews: this book is …
‘The man was afraid of strange people. Anyone deaf or crippled or ugly, he felt, was cursed. This was the attitude of most northerners. His wife, of course, being a native, understood that lameness or strangeness was a mark of grace. If one suffered purgatory on Earth rather than after death, heaven was easier to access.’
This book is perhaps best summarized with a ‘what the fuck’. Going into it, all I understood was that it had a medieval context and an arresting cover. Perhaps there would be commentary about being an ‘other’ in medieval society, or the role of religion in daily life, or something to that effect. To be sure, there is a bit of this, but in quite a different way than expected. I had read some of the reviews—or at least, enough to expect some grotesque and disgusting scenes. Listen to the reviews: this book is not for the faint of heart, nor those who cannot stand to read about horrible acts and horrible characters. However, Moshfegh does not describe these things gratuitously; unlike The Discomfort of Evening by Rijneveld, this book did not make me feel like I needed a scalding hot shower to feel clean again. Moshfegh’s readable style made this a fairly breezy and captivating read, even if it did feel like I was involuntarily glued to a horrible crash most of the time.Society and power imbalances abound in this book, so naturally, all of the characters are either outright detestable or, at best, pitiable but still quite monstrous. The novel mostly revolves around Marek, but Moshfegh uses various perspectives, and often will abruptly switch between them. It took some getting used to the random shifts in the middle of a scene, or even between paragraphs. Everyone is self-righteous, and no one thinks of the consequences of their actions. From the synopsis, I thought Marek would be a pitiful character and a vehicle of commentary, but he really turns out to be something else. Still, Moshfegh did a great job in making some of the characters pitiful despite all of them being either outright evil or morally ambiguous. The characters do follow certain stock types: the ‘crazy’ forest witch who is an outsider, the abusive father, the irreligious priest, the demanding lord, etc. But the book still manages to make them entertaining—and witnessing their thoughts and attitudes was morbidly fascinating.There is a narrative involved, but I’d say the characters and their flaws and mishaps are more the vehicle than the sense of a single narrative. The ending felt a bit abrupt, but also fitting, in the sense that it felt like reality—similarly, some of the characters’ actions felt out of place, and certain connections too convenient. At times the narrative would step in to explain a previous off-screen event, thereby making sense of a current scene in a way that felt a little too easy or else explaining how a character should or should not know certain plot details. Sometimes, the narrative just felt like a string of very loosely connected events. And yet, it felt realistic this way—life is hardly a continuous, linear story. Every time something doesn’t go the way you have planned, you have to begin charting a different course. And so it goes here, except that most of the paths our characters face are anything but simple or rewarding. Occasionally there were a few instances that felt unrealistic or almost fantastic, and I wasn’t sure initially whether to take this novel as literary; but it does contain otherworldly elements. Moshfegh’s literary skill isn’t so much in the plot as it is in the use of language and the way she peels back layers on each character to slowly reveal their natures and use them to explore various ideas.The themes of the novel are fairly obvious: religious, power, society, isolation, approval, suffering, and authenticity. Looming over these in the background is the series of natural disasters that blights Lapvona. Of these, the religious themes are perhaos the most overt; I enjoyed Moshfegh’s commentary on the differences between people who are devoutly religious, those who are self-righteous, and religion as an institution. Religion appears in many forms in this book, and in exactly none of them is it the least bit flattering. I would be tempted to recommend this to religious readers, especially Christians, because it highlights a lot of behaviors and ideas that seem hypocritical or questionable; but they probably would dislike it, unless they are the sort to enjoy entertaining criticisms and challenging their own preconceived beliefs. The depiction of medieval society was also executed well; in particular, the relationship between Villiam, the lord of Lapvona, and the villagers in the town below, sees some interesting turns throughout the novel.This novel is not going to be for everyone, and it is not even one I would recommend to most people unless they are the type to enjoy the themes and ideas I have outlined above. Still, Moshfegh has a charming writing style that draws you in—not to mention that cover. It is an eminently readable novel, but also at times taxing to get through. Was it rewarding in the end? I’m not sure—as I alluded to earlier, the ending is a bit abrupt and not entirely satisfactory, but it somehow works. Terrible things happen; such is life. Life has no choice but to move on, with or without us. And what of the natural disasters? Maybe nature really would heal without us, because people bring nothing but misery—at least in Lapvona.
‘The man was afraid of strange people. Anyone deaf or crippled or ugly, he felt, was cursed. This was the attitude of most northerners. His wife, of course, being a native, understood that lameness or strangeness was a mark of grace. If one suffered purgatory on Earth rather than after death, heaven was easier to access.’
This book is perhaps best summarized with a ‘what the fuck’. Going into it, all I understood was that it had a medieval context and an arresting cover. Perhaps there would be commentary about being an ‘other’ in medieval society, or the role of religion in daily life, or something to that effect. To be sure, there is a bit of this, but in quite a different way than expected. I had read some of the reviews—or at least, enough to expect some grotesque and disgusting scenes. Listen to the reviews: this book is …
‘The man was afraid of strange people. Anyone deaf or crippled or ugly, he felt, was cursed. This was the attitude of most northerners. His wife, of course, being a native, understood that lameness or strangeness was a mark of grace. If one suffered purgatory on Earth rather than after death, heaven was easier to access.’
This book is perhaps best summarized with a ‘what the fuck’. Going into it, all I understood was that it had a medieval context and an arresting cover. Perhaps there would be commentary about being an ‘other’ in medieval society, or the role of religion in daily life, or something to that effect. To be sure, there is a bit of this, but in quite a different way than expected. I had read some of the reviews—or at least, enough to expect some grotesque and disgusting scenes. Listen to the reviews: this book is not for the faint of heart, nor those who cannot stand to read about horrible acts and horrible characters. However, Moshfegh does not describe these things gratuitously; unlike The Discomfort of Evening by Rijneveld, this book did not make me feel like I needed a scalding hot shower to feel clean again. Moshfegh’s readable style made this a fairly breezy and captivating read, even if it did feel like I was involuntarily glued to a horrible crash most of the time.Society and power imbalances abound in this book, so naturally, all of the characters are either outright detestable or, at best, pitiable but still quite monstrous. The novel mostly revolves around Marek, but Moshfegh uses various perspectives, and often will abruptly switch between them. It took some getting used to the random shifts in the middle of a scene, or even between paragraphs. Everyone is self-righteous, and no one thinks of the consequences of their actions. From the synopsis, I thought Marek would be a pitiful character and a vehicle of commentary, but he really turns out to be something else. Still, Moshfegh did a great job in making some of the characters pitiful despite all of them being either outright evil or morally ambiguous. The characters do follow certain stock types: the ‘crazy’ forest witch who is an outsider, the abusive father, the irreligious priest, the demanding lord, etc. But the book still manages to make them entertaining—and witnessing their thoughts and attitudes was morbidly fascinating.There is a narrative involved, but I’d say the characters and their flaws and mishaps are more the vehicle than the sense of a single narrative. The ending felt a bit abrupt, but also fitting, in the sense that it felt like reality—similarly, some of the characters’ actions felt out of place, and certain connections too convenient. At times the narrative would step in to explain a previous off-screen event, thereby making sense of a current scene in a way that felt a little too easy or else explaining how a character should or should not know certain plot details. Sometimes, the narrative just felt like a string of very loosely connected events. And yet, it felt realistic this way—life is hardly a continuous, linear story. Every time something doesn’t go the way you have planned, you have to begin charting a different course. And so it goes here, except that most of the paths our characters face are anything but simple or rewarding. Occasionally there were a few instances that felt unrealistic or almost fantastic, and I wasn’t sure initially whether to take this novel as literary; but it does contain otherworldly elements. Moshfegh’s literary skill isn’t so much in the plot as it is in the use of language and the way she peels back layers on each character to slowly reveal their natures and use them to explore various ideas.The themes of the novel are fairly obvious: religious, power, society, isolation, approval, suffering, and authenticity. Looming over these in the background is the series of natural disasters that blights Lapvona. Of these, the religious themes are perhaos the most overt; I enjoyed Moshfegh’s commentary on the differences between people who are devoutly religious, those who are self-righteous, and religion as an institution. Religion appears in many forms in this book, and in exactly none of them is it the least bit flattering. I would be tempted to recommend this to religious readers, especially Christians, because it highlights a lot of behaviors and ideas that seem hypocritical or questionable; but they probably would dislike it, unless they are the sort to enjoy entertaining criticisms and challenging their own preconceived beliefs. The depiction of medieval society was also executed well; in particular, the relationship between Villiam, the lord of Lapvona, and the villagers in the town below, sees some interesting turns throughout the novel.This novel is not going to be for everyone, and it is not even one I would recommend to most people unless they are the type to enjoy the themes and ideas I have outlined above. Still, Moshfegh has a charming writing style that draws you in—not to mention that cover. It is an eminently readable novel, but also at times taxing to get through. Was it rewarding in the end? I’m not sure—as I alluded to earlier, the ending is a bit abrupt and not entirely satisfactory, but it somehow works. Terrible things happen; such is life. Life has no choice but to move on, with or without us. And what of the natural disasters? Maybe nature really would heal without us, because people bring nothing but misery—at least in Lapvona.
I wanted to give this one a go because I really enjoyed Death in Her Hands - like I want to go back and give that one 5 stars instead of 4 stars based on how I keep thinking about it - but I DNFed both MYORAR and Eileen. I was hoping that since Death in Her Hands was the most recent, I’d get something more like that, but no such luck.
I didn’t get very far in this one, so I don’t have a lot to say. What I did read felt too simplistic, perhaps in an intentional fable-like way, and I wasn’t interested.
I’ll keep at least trying Moshfegh’s work because her style always has the potential to work really well for me.