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The ROAD LESS TRAVELED by M. Scott Peck
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Confronting and solving problems is a painful process which most of us attempt to avoid. Avoiding resolution results in greater …
Cult or not? Reflections on reading combating the cult mind-control
The church I went to is a nondenominational church. They met from house to house. They had their own Bible. They had a very large amount of internal literature written by past leaders, I've been wondering a lot: are they cult or not?
As I read through the book , I found that many experiences I had are very similar. They may or may not be cult, but there is definately something wrong with their practices:
1. They recruit people, strong, brilliant, and smart people in a subtle way. Or you can say, they cultivate people into smart ones. The members include ivy-league graduates, PhDs, university professors, and staff. They recruit people using the company interns, student organizations, and events. I was initially an intern in their company. Then I was invited to their meeting one day, and a BBQ …
Cult or not? Reflections on reading combating the cult mind-control
The church I went to is a nondenominational church. They met from house to house. They had their own Bible. They had a very large amount of internal literature written by past leaders, I've been wondering a lot: are they cult or not?
As I read through the book , I found that many experiences I had are very similar. They may or may not be cult, but there is definately something wrong with their practices:
1. They recruit people, strong, brilliant, and smart people in a subtle way. Or you can say, they cultivate people into smart ones. The members include ivy-league graduates, PhDs, university professors, and staff. They recruit people using the company interns, student organizations, and events. I was initially an intern in their company. Then I was invited to their meeting one day, and a BBQ gathering another day. Eventually, I joined them. How can you resist warm, smart, and brilliant people with deep insight into life?
2. They changed every aspect of my life, clothes, food, diet, where to live, and how to live. I gradually become very dependent on them. They have "brothers house", "sisters house" and "couples house". Because I live with them, unavoidably, I was impacted in many ways in my life. What's worse is that "I'm willing to learn" because they seem to be smarter, happier, and stronger. They took me to go to goodwill and get clothes, my own style was said to be "too childish" in their eyes. They promote healthy diet "plant-based food", so we usually don't eat meat and processed food. I was assigned to share my room with another lady. In the beginning, I didn't have a car, and now I moved into their house so I was far from the city bus line, I had to depend on them to send me to school and pick me up. Therefore, I shared my schedule with them. Sometimes I still wanted to remain some sort of independence, like if I missed the schedule with them, I would call an Uber. But many other times I would be told to "rely on them more because we are families". In the end, when I do things on my own, for example, if I fix my car without letting the leader know, who's expert in cars, I would feel guilty because it implied that "I didn't take them as my family".
3. Their teaching emphasized self-denial. Over-addressing this can be used to wipe out the original identity of a person and create a false new one. "I'm crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Jesus Christ lives in me". "I am not my own, I am not my own, I belong to Jesus, I am not my own." We sing hymns like this a lot. The melodies of the songs are happy and joyful, implying that it's a good thing to "be not yourself". They have a theory of "body, soul and spirit", and there's a book called "breaking of the outer man" and "releasing of the inner man". Therefore, outward things like your knowledge, strength, wisdom, and emotions need to be "broken" so that you no longer use them solely for your own purpose, but "use it for God". "we are merely God's channels, God's oracles". A widely used example in the Church is that we human beings are like Gloves, without God, we are nothing but a shell, so we need to fill it with many other things. Whenever we suffer or got rebuked, the teaching is "whoever wants to follow me shall take up the cross". Members are hinted not to trust himself, but people around him, because a person cannot see himself clearly, and the way to know God's will is to 1) look at the environment, 2) look at God's words, 3) look at group members' reactions.
When I got out of that environment, who I am gradually came back. I start to know what I like and what I don't like. I have my own hobby and my own style. It is wonderful to be myself again.
4. They divide the world into insider and outsider. Even though it's not put into words, it seems like, the world outside the church is corrupted, full of evil and deception. Even among the religious groups, other churches seem to be not "spiritual" enough, focusing too much on the format than reality, or merely entertainment, or too out-of-date.
5. They got involved in members' life too much. For example, how a person studies, works, how they deal with relationships with parents, how they deal with marriage problems, how parents teach kids. People's attitude shall be open and receiving always. The leader often criticizes American's independent attitude as "pride". "Americans always think, who are you dare to be my boss". People who were once offended and left by their offensive words are considered "too shallow" and not able to take the meaning behind the words. For example, the leader once told a story, an ex-member was told to lose some weight and they were offended and left. The leader said "he was offended?! I can't believe he was offended like this!" Another example is that, when I left the church, the leader said I was like the prostitute in the Bible, selling myself to the world. And he said, "young people today are too shallow to understand, see, she was offended". I knew what he meant by saying these, but I also think rude words like this shall never be said to a young lady.
6. They despise logical thinking. Logical thinking is considered of "tree of knowledge of good and evil." We know that eating this fruit "you will surely die", die spiritually. People who graduated with Ph.D. degrees are often criticized as "having a large brain but no spirituality".
7. They took members' time purposefully. One member once told me that the leader said he would like to take all the time of us so that we are not wasting time on worldly things. They had long meetings of 4 hours, weekend activities, weekday night readings, etc.
8. They said members are free to go, but actually not. I left the church twice. The first time, I failed to leave because I initiated it and I still had strong guilt of leaving. They said to me, "why do you think you can just come and go?" But the second time, I saw how wrong they treated me and other members. When I asked to leave, they condemn me saying I "cut the relationship". And I was pictured as an evil person who lied to everyone just to gain benefit from the Church and rebuked with words such as "demon-possessed" "Cain".
9. They pressured the whole church to join missionary work. it is described by the leader that there's no truly good literature outside that Church, therefore we needed to do literature work. There are two approaches: 1) conventional approach 2) new media approach. Therefore, for the fist approach, we spent a lot of time transcribing meeting audio recordings into text. For the second approach, we set up a website, edit videos, host events,
10. They practiced "hot seat" a lot. They usually sit in a circle in meetings, and when someone made a mistake that's considered severe in the leader's eye, he will announce it in front of everyone. It is not until I was in that position of being singled out that I realized how stressful it is.
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One most important lesson I learned from this book is, the separation of tasks. We can choose to treat the world positively, and it is our task, and whether other people choose to respond positively is their task. Therefore, take courage to trust in others, even if we were hurt once.
View the world positively, and view all other people as our companions. Pay attention to the social interests instead of focusing on self-interest only. Do not seek the approval of others, but confirm the faith that "I can contribute to the world" by acting like that.
I'm going to try these from now on, and let's see if my life will change.
The theme of this book is to introduce us a "road less traveled": the journey of spiritual growth. It's a path that requires one to constantly revise his or her understanding of the world, to update one's "cognitive map". This process of abandoning the old identity and gaining the new one will inevitably involve pain, but the pain is a normal state of life, and discipline, to forebear the pain for the good, is the approach to spiritual growth. He believes that life is like problem-solving, by embracing the challenge and take difficulties as normal, one will no longer complain about life but progress further in the spiritual path.
Scott Peck wrote this book with his years of experience as a psychotherapist. A lot of patient examples were used to illustrate concepts and ideas in the book. He also re-conceptualizes many terms that we are familiar with, such as "love", …
The theme of this book is to introduce us a "road less traveled": the journey of spiritual growth. It's a path that requires one to constantly revise his or her understanding of the world, to update one's "cognitive map". This process of abandoning the old identity and gaining the new one will inevitably involve pain, but the pain is a normal state of life, and discipline, to forebear the pain for the good, is the approach to spiritual growth. He believes that life is like problem-solving, by embracing the challenge and take difficulties as normal, one will no longer complain about life but progress further in the spiritual path.
Scott Peck wrote this book with his years of experience as a psychotherapist. A lot of patient examples were used to illustrate concepts and ideas in the book. He also re-conceptualizes many terms that we are familiar with, such as "love", "sin", "religion", "grace".
He believes that love for ourselves is the motivation for self-discipline. Also, he defines love for others as the "extension of one's ego boundary". (I guess it's the same as "love your neighbors as yourself") Romantic love is not considered as true love in this book. On the contrary, when the love from natural attraction ends, the true love will start, because this kind of love requires effort to bear with the drawbacks of the other and to think for the benefit of the other instead of oneself's. He listed what love is not: love is not dependency, not self-sacrifice, not a feeling, not controlling. He claims that the opposite of love is laziness, which is also considered "the original sin" in the later chapters.
Religion, in this book, is broadly defined as the overall understanding and believes about the world. Everyone has his or her own religion. Scott gave examples of both sides: people who suffered from oppressive religious parents, and people who were against religion once found their true faith. I really like one sentence in this book: "our religion must be a wholly personal one, forged entirely through the fire of our questioning and doubting in the crucible of our own experience of reality."
This is on the contrary to what I was once taught in institutional religion that Satan works through doubts. A state of "both trust and doubt" is a healthy state of mind, I think.
In the end, when it comes to the section of "Grace", he's basically reinterpreting many Bible verses. Through examples miracles, cases of the recovery of mentally-ill patients, and his own experience of getting helped by the unconsciousness, he believes that God, or the power that beyond ourselves, or "grace", is both inside us appearing as the unconsciousness, and external to us, like an invisible hand constantly giving us help, as long as we notice it and accept it. Therefore, the way to spiritual growth sounds difficult but it can be easy, since an inherent power is in us to push us mature, and eventually "be like God". Interestingly, he also considers the evolution of human society as the process of "being like God".
Though I like this book and I think many ideas in this book make real sense, but somehow I think it still lacks something. When I was in misery, this book only asked me to accept the pain without telling me where to get the strength of taking the pain...
This book makes me love the genre "memoirs". It is a book full of pains, disappointments, and confusions about church and faith in America, with an interesting context: after Trump got elected as the President. I would call it "traumatic writing" because I feel the author is basically licking her wounds.
Her confusion is also my confusion: how can Church, the place for the sacred and love does the opposite. Gradually I learned to seperate the Church from churches, seperate God's will from the church's will, God's words from pastors' preaching... and even if people do things in God's name, it doesn't mean that God's spirit is with them.
As a person sharing similar views and similar wounds, I often cried as I read this book. In fact, my feeling towards faith is very similar to what she felt at the end of the book, not knowing what to believe, …
This book makes me love the genre "memoirs". It is a book full of pains, disappointments, and confusions about church and faith in America, with an interesting context: after Trump got elected as the President. I would call it "traumatic writing" because I feel the author is basically licking her wounds.
Her confusion is also my confusion: how can Church, the place for the sacred and love does the opposite. Gradually I learned to seperate the Church from churches, seperate God's will from the church's will, God's words from pastors' preaching... and even if people do things in God's name, it doesn't mean that God's spirit is with them.
As a person sharing similar views and similar wounds, I often cried as I read this book. In fact, my feeling towards faith is very similar to what she felt at the end of the book, not knowing what to believe, but still can't let go because of the deep impact faith once had in our lives.
I'm reading this book www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/29075905-prayer#
and it mentioned an interesting story:
A young man asked his priest to interpret his strong feeling in his heart: "it happens every night, like the burning the disciples felt when meeting Jesus on the road to Emmaus. Please help me. What does it mean?"
The priest replied:" You've got heartburn, son." And he gave him an antacid pill.
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I find this story especially inspiring given my current stomach problem. I used to also do the same thing. I used to interpret every bit of my life as either reward or punishment from God. I used to not accept the concept of depression. I used to fight against my every little fallen thought as though I could get rid of the sinful nature from me. I used to also despise the pursuit of money and career and believed that only …
I'm reading this book www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/29075905-prayer#
and it mentioned an interesting story:
A young man asked his priest to interpret his strong feeling in his heart: "it happens every night, like the burning the disciples felt when meeting Jesus on the road to Emmaus. Please help me. What does it mean?"
The priest replied:" You've got heartburn, son." And he gave him an antacid pill.
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I find this story especially inspiring given my current stomach problem. I used to also do the same thing. I used to interpret every bit of my life as either reward or punishment from God. I used to not accept the concept of depression. I used to fight against my every little fallen thought as though I could get rid of the sinful nature from me. I used to also despise the pursuit of money and career and believed that only voluntary work has the divine meaning that's worth pursuing.
But as the book said, we are holistic human beings. Yes, as a God-believer, I think we do need to connect to a divine source, yet our practical life on the earth cannot be separated from us or considered "non-spiritual". Sometimes, we need antacid, we need more sleep, we need financial help, we need counseling, we need communication, we need deep engagement with people. Sometimes, our rigid religious thoughts make us view every problem as "a problem between me and God", and thus block us from seeing what we truly need to see, doing what we truly need to do.
Every person's journey is unique. In some of my darkest moments, trusting in God sustained me. In other difficult times, on the contrary, taking a break from the church was needed, and true friendship nourished me, counseling saved me, going to the gym built me up.
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Therefore, (I'm saying this to myself as well since I'm such an introvert
This book was recommended in my counsoling section. I find it very helpful especially in the following aspects:
1. Accept my emotions. There's nothing like "good" or "bad" emotions. Emotions exist for a reason. There's no need to battle or compress my "negative emotions". By accepting it, it actually help the emotion to go away fast.
2. Activate my "observing self". After I read this book, when I feel sad, depressed, frustrated, lonely, I will remember to use this little trick and tell myself "I'm feeling xxx and xxx now, thank you mind." By doing this it reminds me that what I feel and think may be just a temporary feeling and thoughts, which may disappear in a while if I choose not to focus on it too much.
3. Connect with my values. The value compas in this book is really helpful. I'm currently writing my diary with this …
This book was recommended in my counsoling section. I find it very helpful especially in the following aspects:
1. Accept my emotions. There's nothing like "good" or "bad" emotions. Emotions exist for a reason. There's no need to battle or compress my "negative emotions". By accepting it, it actually help the emotion to go away fast.
2. Activate my "observing self". After I read this book, when I feel sad, depressed, frustrated, lonely, I will remember to use this little trick and tell myself "I'm feeling xxx and xxx now, thank you mind." By doing this it reminds me that what I feel and think may be just a temporary feeling and thoughts, which may disappear in a while if I choose not to focus on it too much.
3. Connect with my values. The value compas in this book is really helpful. I'm currently writing my diary with this format. It helps me to easily identify what part of my life is not connected to my value, and what smalll actions I have been taken or I need to take in the future.
At the current phase of my faith journey, I really feel I need to change my paradigm of reading the bible and following my God, seeing the examples in the churches I encountered in the past. Taking the Bible verses out of context or, literally, word for word as some magical chant is not working for me anymore. It leads to a rigid way of believing that block people from seeing people first but hold onto religious teachings.
This book, came into my view quite timely. It clearly demonstrated the two paradigms that traditional and liberal Christianity take.
Traditional Paradigm
- Bible is literal, divine product, every word is out of God.
- Everything recorded in the Bible actually happened.
- "Faith" is believing in the facts recorded in the Bible, especially those that are hard to believe.
- God is the creator far away "out there".
- God is …
At the current phase of my faith journey, I really feel I need to change my paradigm of reading the bible and following my God, seeing the examples in the churches I encountered in the past. Taking the Bible verses out of context or, literally, word for word as some magical chant is not working for me anymore. It leads to a rigid way of believing that block people from seeing people first but hold onto religious teachings.
This book, came into my view quite timely. It clearly demonstrated the two paradigms that traditional and liberal Christianity take.
Traditional Paradigm
- Bible is literal, divine product, every word is out of God.
- Everything recorded in the Bible actually happened.
- "Faith" is believing in the facts recorded in the Bible, especially those that are hard to believe.
- God is the creator far away "out there".
- God is a God of "requirement and reward", "lawgiver and judge". Being a Christian means meeting those requirements.
- Jesus is the literal "son" of God. The purpose of him coming into the world is to die on the cross for our sins.
- "Sin" is breaking the laws of God. The solution is to "repent".
- "Salvation" is going to heaven after death, if believing in God, or else going to hell.
- Religion is the only path to salvation, absolute truth.
Emerging Paradigm
- Bible is historical, written by people who experienced God, and to the community in the past. Thus, we need to consider the historical context while reading the bible.
- Some language of the Bible is metaphorical. We need to ask "what does this story tell" instead of only focus on "does that really happen?"
- "Faith" is trusting God in a relaxing way, not worry, love God, and love the people God loves.
- God is here and everywhere.
- God is a God of love and justice. Being a Christian means seeing that we are already loved unconditionally, and we are invited to go on a path of transformation.
- Jesus represents who God is. His purpose coming into the world is to heal, to show love, mercy, and justice, to initiate the social movements among the Jewish people. He died because of what he did.
- "Sin" is a status of being separated from God.
- "Salvation" is to have a way back to God in this life, a life of transformation.
- Religion is human creation in response to the experiences of the sacred.
Also, this book helped me established some understanding of certain Biblical truths that I learned the wrong way in the past and confirmed other good ones.
- "Denying yourself" and "take up the cross" is not about oppressing legitimate desires. It's about to abandon the old identity and get transformed into a new one.
- "Crucified with Christ" and "resurrect with Christ" is not about the newly formed lifestyle in the church. It's about the realization that we can live with God and free from the bondage of "being aware of how the world views us" (constantly worrying if I'm good enough, too little recognition or too much recognition from the world, etc)\
- The goal of spiritual practices such as worshiping, singing, and a sermon is to open our hearts to God, and thus get nourished by God, God's words, and God's people.
- Church. We join a church to immerse in an environment and get collective transformation, to practice compassion and care together, and it will help us to build Christian characteristics.
- Prayer. Prayer is about spending time with God. It can be reading God's words, telling God our days, and telling God our wishes and hopes, and praying for others is about loving others. We are not"asking God to give us things".
- Charity. We practice charity as a way to cultivate compassion towards to poor so that we understand better how the system affected the life of the poor.