Tak! reviewed The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler
The Mountain in the Sea
5 stars
Every Ray Nayler book is a philosophical conundrum wrapped in an ecological tragedy wrapped in a rad scifi story.
Every Ray Nayler book is a philosophical conundrum wrapped in an ecological tragedy wrapped in a rad scifi story.
This book offers some very profound commentary on AI and capitalism in one small package. The author truly understands the stakes of where we are at as a species, and It's very good as a result. There are some passages in this book that made me feel less alone in my views of AI, and others that actually made me question my beliefs. While the backdrop is bleak, it manages to offer a positive message that cuts through it. It's just a very thoughtful and oddly comforting book overall. I highly recommend it.
This book offers some very profound commentary on AI and capitalism in one small package. The author truly understands the stakes of where we are at as a species, and It's very good as a result. There are some passages in this book that made me feel less alone in my views of AI, and others that actually made me question my beliefs. While the backdrop is bleak, it manages to offer a positive message that cuts through it. It's just a very thoughtful and oddly comforting book overall. I highly recommend it.
Awesome presmise and world-building, bad character development
Recommend if your also suspicious of octopuses
The topic and atmosphere are very intriguing, as is discussing the concept of consciousness with different kinds of non-humans as examples right next to each other. The characters are OK, too, but the plot misses the mark in terms of structure and how the conflict develops. I am sad because I wanted to like this one, but the second half was difficult to enjoy.
My favorite sci-fi stories are one that are a) more sci- than fi- and b) use the medium to exaggerate a feature of humanness or society that we're aware of and criticize or explore it. This book does an excellent job of being one of my favorite sci-fi stories.
It's a little slow to start and it can be difficult to "get your bearings" in this world at first, but by the end of the book I was disappointed to have to put it down. It explores some fascinating ideas in a very pensive, philosophical, and scientific way that left me wanting more. HIGHLY recommend!
My favorite sci-fi stories are one that are a) more sci- than fi- and b) use the medium to exaggerate a feature of humanness or society that we're aware of and criticize or explore it. This book does an excellent job of being one of my favorite sci-fi stories.
It's a little slow to start and it can be difficult to "get your bearings" in this world at first, but by the end of the book I was disappointed to have to put it down. It explores some fascinating ideas in a very pensive, philosophical, and scientific way that left me wanting more. HIGHLY recommend!
I absolutely flew through this book. It was an excellent read start to finish.
An interesting near-future thriller mainly set on the Con Dao archipelago in Vietnam, where a species of intelligent, communicative octopus have been discovered. To try to communicate with them, a specialist in octopus has been called in, and she will have to work alongside an android, which may be the first sentient AI created, and a security officer who is deadly serious in protecting the area from all intruders.
The attempts at communication with the octopus is the main basis for the story. But layered upon it are philosophical discussions over the nature of the octopus itself, how they may see the world and how you approach and communicate with sentient beings that don't share the same senses or even a brain network with us: octopus limbs can operate independently of the brain, and they send messages by changing the patterns on their skin.
Subplots in the story …
An interesting near-future thriller mainly set on the Con Dao archipelago in Vietnam, where a species of intelligent, communicative octopus have been discovered. To try to communicate with them, a specialist in octopus has been called in, and she will have to work alongside an android, which may be the first sentient AI created, and a security officer who is deadly serious in protecting the area from all intruders.
The attempts at communication with the octopus is the main basis for the story. But layered upon it are philosophical discussions over the nature of the octopus itself, how they may see the world and how you approach and communicate with sentient beings that don't share the same senses or even a brain network with us: octopus limbs can operate independently of the brain, and they send messages by changing the patterns on their skin.
Subplots in the story focus on a hacker who has been asked to hack into an extremely sophisticated neural network, and on a slave crew on an AI controlled ship hunting for fish in a world where predatory fishing companies have overfished the oceans and are eager to exploit the remaining places with fish. They serve to flesh out this world where wars have been fought, and new regional nations have risen, eager to make their mark on the world. AI technology has also matured and taken over many jobs, while people feel more isolated in a world where AI mediated communications is the norm.
At the end, various parts come together to show that the octopuses have their own ideas on communicating and dealing with humans, leaving the future open for further interactions, but on the octopuses terms.
On the surface, this is a future sf book about discovering sentient octopuses and trying to communicate with them. But, this is no Children of Ruin or even a Feed Them Silence; it hinges less on plot and characters, and feels more about worldbuilding in service to philosophy.
I quite enjoyed this book, and the strongest part was just how tightly the book's themes and ideas intertwined through the book's different point of views and the worldbuilding. It's a not-so-far future book with sentient octopuses, overfished waters, AI boats that drive themselves in search of profit, drones driven by humans in tanks, and the first android (but one reviled by humanity). It's a book about language and communication, memory and forgetting, what it means to be human and exist in community, and about fear of others.
On the surface, this is a future sf book about discovering sentient octopuses and trying to communicate with them. But, this is no Children of Ruin or even a Feed Them Silence; it hinges less on plot and characters, and feels more about worldbuilding in service to philosophy.
I quite enjoyed this book, and the strongest part was just how tightly the book's themes and ideas intertwined through the book's different point of views and the worldbuilding. It's a not-so-far future book with sentient octopuses, overfished waters, AI boats that drive themselves in search of profit, drones driven by humans in tanks, and the first android (but one reviled by humanity). It's a book about language and communication, memory and forgetting, what it means to be human and exist in community, and about fear of others.
There are some nice ideas in this sci-fi book. However, the narrative is quite clunky, characterisation of the protagonists tends to be uninteresting and/or cliché-filled, there is quite a lot of exposition of context that feels unnatural and clearly reader-directed rather than being organic to the plot.
Absolutely adored this book. A lonely scientist is tasked with deciphering possible signals from an apparently advanced species of octopuses on an island in the near-ish future. That's the basic plot, but the author digs into linguistics, AI, non-human intelligence, and communication generally in a gentle and well-paced thriller. Super fun read.
Absolutely adored this book. A lonely scientist is tasked with deciphering possible signals from an apparently advanced species of octopuses on an island in the near-ish future. That's the basic plot, but the author digs into linguistics, AI, non-human intelligence, and communication generally in a gentle and well-paced thriller. Super fun read.
Good read, works out some interesting ideas about consciousness, communication, consumer society, and AI. The book didn't manage to really 'suck me in' me though.
Good read, works out some interesting ideas about consciousness, communication, consumer society, and AI. The book didn't manage to really 'suck me in' me though.
So much to love about this book, how it weaves together unanswerable questions about consciousness and computation, together with a much more didactic message about humans' consumptive relationships with, well, everything including each other, and enough of a mystery story to keep the plot moving along. Also some great evocations of places (ahhh, multiple key scenes on Istanbul ferries), and of the ways peoples' reputations misrepresent their selves.
It's not a strongly character driven book - every character that is fleshed out seems to be a variant of "loner who wishes for connection" and largely a vehicle for the author's ideas - but there's enough depth to the characters to keep me reading. My one real criticism is that the ending felt a bit rushed. Not in the sort of too convenient, story-undermining way, but not quite satisfying either. It doesn't feel like a set up for a sequel, …
So much to love about this book, how it weaves together unanswerable questions about consciousness and computation, together with a much more didactic message about humans' consumptive relationships with, well, everything including each other, and enough of a mystery story to keep the plot moving along. Also some great evocations of places (ahhh, multiple key scenes on Istanbul ferries), and of the ways peoples' reputations misrepresent their selves.
It's not a strongly character driven book - every character that is fleshed out seems to be a variant of "loner who wishes for connection" and largely a vehicle for the author's ideas - but there's enough depth to the characters to keep me reading. My one real criticism is that the ending felt a bit rushed. Not in the sort of too convenient, story-undermining way, but not quite satisfying either. It doesn't feel like a set up for a sequel, but I kind of want Nayler to write a few short stories filling out the characters a bit more and picking up some of the loose ends - perhaps something like Sofia Samatar did with The Winged Histories.
Weird reading experience for me since I was slipping in and out of fever dreams. Reminded me of Solaris quite a bit, which is a good thing. I want to reread immediately now that I understand things a bit better, but I'll probably return it to the library since it's got a long wait list. Also appreciated the homage to Rachel Carson. Anyway, it was basically everything I would want in a book, but I was a bit confused sometimes, likely due to my sick state.
Weird reading experience for me since I was slipping in and out of fever dreams. Reminded me of Solaris quite a bit, which is a good thing. I want to reread immediately now that I understand things a bit better, but I'll probably return it to the library since it's got a long wait list. Also appreciated the homage to Rachel Carson. Anyway, it was basically everything I would want in a book, but I was a bit confused sometimes, likely due to my sick state.
Impressed by how many types of intelligence and consciousness are woven together in this book. I count at least 9; some characters embody multiple kinds in ways that become clear.
One thread seemed less necessary, and another one was very grim, but worth the payoff. And this is the only cyberpunk cryptid first contact SF I can think of.