An alien armada lurks on the edges of Teixcalaanli space. No one can communicate with it, no one can destroy it, and Fleet Captain Nine Hibiscus is running out of options.
In a desperate attempt at diplomacy with the mysterious invaders, the fleet captain has sent for a diplomatic envoy. Now Mahit Dzmare and Three Seagrass—still reeling from the recent upheaval in the Empire—face the impossible task of trying to communicate with a hostile entity.
Whether they succeed or fail could change the fate of Teixcalaan forever.
I really enjoyed A Memory Called Empire, but this I didn't enjoy nearly as much. I'm not entirely sure why. I think part of it was that Memory built an interestingly different world and learning about it was part of the fun of the book. Desolation, on the other hand, is just another story set in that same world. I didn't feel it did as much to add to the world, and I didn't find the story all that engaging. Don't get me wrong, it's fine, but I definitely found this book disappointing after the first one.
I read A Memory Called Empire earlier this year and really enjoyed it. In this sequel, I was curious to see how the author would handle the mysterious aliens, who we previously hadn’t seen on page.
We see this story from multiple points of view. While I liked getting different perspectives, they felt rather contrived in terms of answering questions raised by the previous PoV character. I also felt there was a lot of characters standing around being told (or overhearing) information by other characters. Sometimes I was put in mind of “messenger speeches” in Greek drama, where important events are recounted to the actors (and audience) by a messenger, rather than being played out on stage.
There was a sex scene which… felt unnecessary and didn’t (in my opinion) contribute in any way to the story, and I could have done without as much angst-y interactions. (Or perhaps, since …
I read A Memory Called Empire earlier this year and really enjoyed it. In this sequel, I was curious to see how the author would handle the mysterious aliens, who we previously hadn’t seen on page.
We see this story from multiple points of view. While I liked getting different perspectives, they felt rather contrived in terms of answering questions raised by the previous PoV character. I also felt there was a lot of characters standing around being told (or overhearing) information by other characters. Sometimes I was put in mind of “messenger speeches” in Greek drama, where important events are recounted to the actors (and audience) by a messenger, rather than being played out on stage.
There was a sex scene which… felt unnecessary and didn’t (in my opinion) contribute in any way to the story, and I could have done without as much angst-y interactions. (Or perhaps, since we all have angsty moments, not having them spelled out so explicitly).
That said, I enjoyed the read overall and the interweaving of the narrative viewpoints.
Ich mochte Band 2 richtig gerne, weil ich die politischen Erwägungen und das zusätzliche Worldbuilding noch spannender fand als in Band 1. Jetzt, wo ich Band 2 auf Englisch gelesen habe (Band 1 auf Deutsch), kam mir die Sprache auch weniger „kindlich“ und generell runder vor. Nichtsdestotrotz fand ich manche Namen im Deutschen einfach gelungener als im Original (Neunzehn Breitaxt klingt so viel pompöser als Nineteen Adze).
Was Gender jenseits Männer/Frauen angeht sieht es leider fast genau so mau aus wie in Band 1. Wobei möglicherweise in einem Satz ein Nebencharakter mit „they“ bezeichnet wurde, aber das ist ein bisschen wenig ;). Zum Ausgleich hatte ich in Band 2 — vielleicht wegen des fehlenden generischen Maskulinums — weniger das Gefühl, dass die Gesellschaft hinter den Kulissen doch patriarchal ist. Auch scheint es, als würde Homo-/Bisexualität nicht „akzeptiert“ werden, sondern einfach gar keine Abweichung von irgendwas sein. Das finde ich erfrischend. …
Ich mochte Band 2 richtig gerne, weil ich die politischen Erwägungen und das zusätzliche Worldbuilding noch spannender fand als in Band 1. Jetzt, wo ich Band 2 auf Englisch gelesen habe (Band 1 auf Deutsch), kam mir die Sprache auch weniger „kindlich“ und generell runder vor. Nichtsdestotrotz fand ich manche Namen im Deutschen einfach gelungener als im Original (Neunzehn Breitaxt klingt so viel pompöser als Nineteen Adze).
Was Gender jenseits Männer/Frauen angeht sieht es leider fast genau so mau aus wie in Band 1. Wobei möglicherweise in einem Satz ein Nebencharakter mit „they“ bezeichnet wurde, aber das ist ein bisschen wenig ;). Zum Ausgleich hatte ich in Band 2 — vielleicht wegen des fehlenden generischen Maskulinums — weniger das Gefühl, dass die Gesellschaft hinter den Kulissen doch patriarchal ist. Auch scheint es, als würde Homo-/Bisexualität nicht „akzeptiert“ werden, sondern einfach gar keine Abweichung von irgendwas sein. Das finde ich erfrischend. Leider habe ich auch in Band 2 nichts zusätzlich über die Reproduktion im Imperium oder auf Lsel gelernt, die Themen hängen ja häufig zusammen.
Inhaltlich hat mich die neue Alienspezies mitgerissen. Um nicht zu spoilern gehe ich hier nicht ins Detail… aber ich hätte sehr sehr gerne ein Spin-Off mit der Spezies im Zentrum.
Was mich auch sehr gefreut hat: Das Buch stellte alle „Gruppen“ kritisch da: Die „Aliens“, die Stationsbewohnenden, die Texa.. Texaner_innen. Es wurde schön veranschaulicht, wie sehr, was man für richtig und falsch hält, für absurd und normal, davon geprägt ist, was die eigene Gruppe als richtig/normal/… vorgibt. Was sogar undenkbar wird dadurch.
Wirklich gut gemacht.
Meine einzigen Minuspunkte sind, a) dass ich gerne noch mehr aus Aliensicht gelesen hätte
b) dass ich 11 Jährige als Hauptcharas einfach nicht sonderlich mag und doppelt nicht, wenn es wieder das monarchistische Auserwähltentrope ist.
Aber das verzeihe ich, denn die von Arkady Martine erschaffene Welt ist super spannend und ich würde gerne mehr von ihr lesen.
I wasn't sure whether to start this, because the first one was a bit hard to follow, but it was very good! It took up some of the themes of "A Memory Called Empire" and explored them in another, deeper way. Also, it was a lot more thrilling, and the characters became more fleshed out and interesting. Had a great time, recommended!
An absolutely wonderful follow up with a very detailed expansion of the worlds previously introduced. The focus on language is still there, but with a bit broader approach to communication as a whole and how that affects culture.
Rare for me to find a sequel more interesting than the original, but this was one of those occasions. It takes the world-building from Memory Called Empire and then allows the characters to step further forward in the story. After being at the heart of the Empire before, we're now at the fringe, where it faces a threat and a potential war, with politics at play that might lead to a catastrophe. Really enjoyed watching how this all played out and the way the characters grew and developed through it.
Where the first book deals entirely with humans and the ways that we interact with each other and ourselves, this book starts to speculate about alien societies in a really interesting way. It's also great to see more angles on Teixcalaan and see how Mahit and Reed are doing after the events of the last book.
Disappointing sequel despite potential. Some dubious premises (surely a galactic empire would have first contact specialists?). Unclear motivations & prose: I rarely understood why particular choices were being made. Also an annoying inconsistency: internally, characters were flailing haplessly, but in actuality they were exceedingly competent.
I liked the first Teixcalaan book but did not love it. I went into the sequel expecting another book I'd really like, and ended up with a book that is rather stunning. A Memory Called Empire was all about politics, intrigue, machinations without much sci-fi in it. A Desolation Called Peace is still all that, and yet it is much broader as we venture out into the war between the Teixcalaan Empire and an unknown, almost invisible, entirely alien enemy. Mahit Dzmare has returned home to her space station, but is dragged into the middle of the war by Three Seagrass, her Teixcalaan liaison, who is now an envoy to be a diplomat between Teixcalaan and the aliens.
It's fascinating how so many things from the first book are still ever present in this book. The role of individuals, collective mind and memory, ever-present. The view of Empire. The unsung …
I liked the first Teixcalaan book but did not love it. I went into the sequel expecting another book I'd really like, and ended up with a book that is rather stunning. A Memory Called Empire was all about politics, intrigue, machinations without much sci-fi in it. A Desolation Called Peace is still all that, and yet it is much broader as we venture out into the war between the Teixcalaan Empire and an unknown, almost invisible, entirely alien enemy. Mahit Dzmare has returned home to her space station, but is dragged into the middle of the war by Three Seagrass, her Teixcalaan liaison, who is now an envoy to be a diplomat between Teixcalaan and the aliens.
It's fascinating how so many things from the first book are still ever present in this book. The role of individuals, collective mind and memory, ever-present. The view of Empire. The unsung hero of the book is Twenty Cicada. Also, there's this crazy chemistry between Mahit and Three Seagrass, so the book has that added benefit for queer me.
It's ridiculously well-written and thoughtful, and I praise it for giving us aliens who are entirely alien, in this first contact scenario. Together, those two books will likely be considered classics.
Review of 'Desolation Called Peace' on 'Goodreads'
3 stars
An intriguing clash of civilizations, bogged down by poetic whimsy and alienating vocabulary.
This was forgivable and effective when telling a fish out of water story about the not like other girls who goes to the big city and finds she can't go home again, but in this book it turns into a chore that gets in the way of enjoying the tale.
There is some interesting themes around the experience of collective consciousness but I don't feel like the book managed to convey much beyond the chaos of it and it mostly feels like window dressing.
The inscrutable poetry is by far the most tedious aspect, though the gratuitous tribblecats did grate as well. Oh well.
Content warning
Desolation Called Peace (sequel to Memory Called Empire) minor setting spoilers
Much better than the first part, or to be more precise two parts fit together very well. A lot of open threads and parts of the setting seemed unnecessary, in the second book suddenly came together.
While the first book was for me mainly about immersion in alien culture, second is about things much closer to my heart: finding home, communicating across barriers. There is even some romance.
Also the aliens are very good.
Only minus is this book is still set in facist empire (that is somehow ruled wisely) and the characters are not starting a revolution ;)
Review of 'Desolation Called Peace' on 'Storygraph'
5 stars
*I received a free review copy as part of 2022 Hugo awards voting.
A DESOLATION CALLED PEACE is a collision of cultures bleeding into war, trying to find the bounds of personhood in more than flesh and bone.
The plot follows several parallel threads, centering on various characters. I love Twenty Cicada’s storyline. He’s one of my favorite characters, followed closely by Eight Antidote. Mahit and Three Seagrass are working together again, this time to find a way to communicate with the aliens whose proximity Mahit had used as leverage in the previous book. The worldbuilding focuses on intra-empire politics as much as it focuses on the empire’s communications with Mahit and with the aliens. It balances stress and war with levity and intimacy, exploring connections and communication as characters with conflicting methods and competing aims collide.
This answers a few things left hanging from the first book, showing the …
*I received a free review copy as part of 2022 Hugo awards voting.
A DESOLATION CALLED PEACE is a collision of cultures bleeding into war, trying to find the bounds of personhood in more than flesh and bone.
The plot follows several parallel threads, centering on various characters. I love Twenty Cicada’s storyline. He’s one of my favorite characters, followed closely by Eight Antidote. Mahit and Three Seagrass are working together again, this time to find a way to communicate with the aliens whose proximity Mahit had used as leverage in the previous book. The worldbuilding focuses on intra-empire politics as much as it focuses on the empire’s communications with Mahit and with the aliens. It balances stress and war with levity and intimacy, exploring connections and communication as characters with conflicting methods and competing aims collide.
This answers a few things left hanging from the first book, showing the next steps without closing much off. There’s a new storyline involving aliens which is almost entirely new (the existence of those aliens was pivotal in Mahit’s big move at the end of A MEMORY CALLED EMPIRE). A few major things involving those aliens are both introduced and resolved. It specifically leaves aspects of Mahit’s relationships to other characters to be resolved later, but with substantial changes from how they were at the start of the book. Some of narrators are the same, with the addition of a new perspective between sections. I don’t think Eight Antidote was a narrator last time, if he was it was brief, but he, Mahit, and Three Seagrass are all narrators this time.
This story likely wouldn’t make sense to anyone who hadn’t read the first book. Because Mahit was on her first journey as an ambassador last time, A MEMORY CALLED EMPIRE had a lot of exposition which could fit naturally into that story. A DESOLATION CALLED PEACE is therefore (assuming one read the first book) free to focus on building up descriptions of the fleet, the Shards, and the aliens, leaving the Empire and its basic details to be shown but more rarely explained.
The ending utterly devastated me, wrapping up the main story and leaving me sated, but promising more in the vast future now made possible by the resolution.
I really liked this book, particularly the second half. I will say that I would rather it have explored more of the internal workings of the empire, and maybe have a stronger opinion on the effect of the war in its citizens. I feel like it skirted around the edges of these topics.
I loved every bit with Eight Antidote in it! Because I read the Goblin Emperor recently, it's so interesting to see the opposite of Maya - someone who was born and knows they will be the emperor, and yet is still a child. I appreciated the intrigue and exploration of the city we got through him a lot.
